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E find they are -- especially democratic leaders in trying to figure out how to respond the the lies, how to respond to the gas lighting and the alternative realities. they still don't seem to have a good answer to that and the way i know that is because in some of these meetings, the question turned back around which is what do we do? they just lie. and still five years later, there is not a good answer to this gaslighting. >> i can see the problem but i think that it's well described as all of us living in a fully aud animated polarization machine. the you will imagine by the the

Antibodies came out in the grand american polarization machine on the side of maga world. who knows why? vaccines come out on the other side. like it is so irrational the way that these things are being pinged through the machinery of our polarization machine. >> yeah, and, you know, it is not just monoclonal antibodies which as you point out is under an emergency use authorization, is brought in intravenously, et cetera, et cetera. you have the hydroxychloroquine folks, the ivermectin folks. they're almost worse than the covid deniers. they accept covid, they just don't want to use the one tr...

Services, it's the same thing in immigration wlrks or not you are -- how legal are you. >> how abject you are. >> if you can't be either a hero or a villain, then you don't have a place in the conversation. >> let me actually flip this around in terms of the villain. i always feel like there's a level in the way in which it's going to be perceived. i don't know. i think all the facts that i know show that he acted terribly, right, and that i think he should be arrested. but i also feel like there's the other side of the polarization machine is let's all figure out the true evil that lurks in t...