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With a pole dancer in honolulu and he gets all of this stuff? >> bill: i don't know if the nsa knew he was doing all of that. when you get tech savvy, i'm not tech savvy. are you tech savvy, carville? both of us -- these gnomes, they know -- they know how to do everything. that's what happens. they have outrun their coverage. last word, carville? >> i do some consulting for a tech company. they have blocked -- they have all kinds of stuff that prohibit people from getting in that kind of thing. >> bill: remember, manning was in iraq, all right? he was there that's where he did his deed. so, th...

Kind of a situation where at any moment, civilians can be murdered and maimed, i mean, you can't be messing around with national security data. manning should have got 156789 is he 25. i would have gotten -- he serves 15. is he out when he is 40. that would have been fair. you know, carville, here is what amazes me. you are actually sounding level headed. >> i don't quite understand. since you left cnn, you actually sound lucid and you are thinking and you are rationale. what has happened? >> i'm not, no. >> bill: did you read a couple of my books? is that what happened. >> i have never been t...

I actually punished myself a little bit. if you don't have a house tour pell i highly -- turtle i highly recommend procuring one. they are highly comfort believe at times like this when you need a snuggle. i think he left because he read her blog. >> you said he was ready to go. >> yes. >> a house turtle could be a code for something. >> house boy? >> or just a turtle you have around the house. could be code for that. i guess that's why you call it -- you need a better code for that. you wouldn't call it a house turtle. >> it is a pole dancer. >> first it was a dancer and now it is a pole danc...

Of these things. was she working with foreign intelligence? i don't want to put an innocent person under the spotlight. if you are not a secret agent from china i apologize. >> by the way, her dad today, a little breaking news on this, but jonathon mills came out and says he sends his love to the couple. after having met edward snowden he snows him to be forthright and loves him and supports him. >> his daughter is a pole dancer, of course he will say she a great dude. >> can i go back to joel for a second? this is about to make sense to me. her blog posts, all of those phrases were like codes...

I actually punished myself a little bit. if you don't have a house tour pell i highly -- turtle i highly recommend procuring one. they are highly comfort believe at times like this when you need a snuggle. i think he left because he read her blog. >> you said he was ready to go. >> yes. >> a house turtle could be a code for something. >> house boy? >> or just a turtle you have around the house. could be code for that. i guess that's why you call it -- you need a better code for that. you wouldn't call it a house turtle. >> it is a pole dancer. >> first it was a dancer and now it is a pole danc...