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Believe that. but the people really he is surrounded by are people from security forces, from the military. and, you know, police, police sfb, et cetera. so, a lot of those people, obviously, you know, are many times on the side of putin in terms of really taking the war to the ukrainians. and sometimes, even harsher than mr. putin himself. but it's very hard to gauge that. we do know, however that we have some people in the business community who have spoken out, and certainly there is, you know, protests diminishing protests, among the people themselves. >> and in conclusion, jill, what does...
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