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Because we started talking about no knock warrants in early 2020, i would assume that a lot of police departments were looking at this. at the time, minneapolis was involved in the aftermath of george floyd, it had a police union leader who was, you know, we have different words to describe him, but he was not really in sync with even the police chief. minneapolis has a lot of policing problems. >> correct. let's go back to that no knock warrant policy, and november of 2020, the minneapolis police department, and the mayor basically put out, announced that they were going to actually formally ...

Years about excessive fines and fees imposed by law enforcement, amounting to ultimately half of the town's budget. >> the policing problems have only gotten worse in recent years, putting the town under some new scrutiny here and cnn's nick valencia went to take a look. >> reporter: less than 30 minutes north of birmingham sits the small town of brookside, alabama. it's a former mining town with no stoplights, no retail stores other than the dollar general and no major crimes. a stretch of interstate 22 runs directly through brookside and the town has a lot of cops to police it. brookside is ...

The department's policy, end quote. joining us now is brandt williams, he is an editor with minnesota public radio covering race, class, and communities. thank you for making time to be here tonight. i want to be clear on this, because we started talking about no knock warrants in early 2020, i would assume that a lot of police departments were looking at this. at the time, minneapolis was involved in the aftermath of george floyd, it had a police union leader who was, you know, we have different words to describe him, but he was not really in sync with even the police chief. minneapolis has a...

Places that we have been. brian: charles you say america is race crazy. we should be american and then whatever your race or heritage is. >> when you are so focused on race, you are not going to solve any problems. there are policing problems and education and income gaps. but you are not going to solve them by saying it's all systemic racism. it's not all. i am not saying what the percentage is. is it 2? is it 0? -- is it 20? i know it's not 100. when you talk about getting back to it, we need to focus on things that will work. think about what they propose.

Places that we have been. brian: charles you say america is race crazy. we should be american and then whatever your race or heritage is. >> when you are so focused on race, you are not going to solve any problems. there are policing problems and education and income gaps. but you are not going to solve them by saying it's all systemic racism. it's not all. i am not saying what the percentage is. is it 2? is it 0? -- is it 20? i know it's not 100. when you talk about getting back to it, we need to focus on things that will work. think about what they propose.