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Relation to trump but in relation to the actual platform of the party in so many ways about dobbs, abortion and other things so i think these senators feel bold now because they've had a couple voters come out and say, i don't have to be scared of trump but the truth is if you don't have a trump, what is your alternative vision for the ideal republican candidate? >> it's interesting point. mike braun was one of those senators leaving the senate to run for indiana governor and his point was we need to explain what we're for. i think that's your point. make a policy argument, because the democra...

Conservatives saying abolish the irs, get rid of the irs, versus the kind of threats that the irs commissioner is talking about with you and your team that are sparking this review of safety for employees? >> there is a big difference and i'm glad you pointed that out. a big difference between policy discussions ability the size of the federal government, about whether taxes should be higher or lower, all sorts of issues. there is no policy argument to be made about violence, threats harassment, towards civil servants. that is what the irs is concerned about. the irs, like you mentioned, is go...

Let's increase red flag laws, so people who are dangerous to the communities cannot possess guns. and let's understand the risks that the gun spring. they're errors wrong, 75% of the country agrees with them. so we have to make the case. they are organized, they have the following. it is not just money. it is a political, or policy argument that they make relentlessly. we have to counter that. and organizations are the one that gaby formed are focused on doing that. we have to fight this, continually make the argument. because we all know how important it is. i've been watching your reporting,...

Its efficacy. moderna reported it significantly raises levels. this was the headline all the way back in august. "the u.s. announces plan to offer boosters to all americans starting in late september." but then came the dissent, all sorts of folks, those from the world health organization arguing it would be unethical to give americans a third shot while many vulnerable people around the world, billions, in fact, had not even had one dose. that's a totally reason ethical, ament argument. it's a policy argument. dr. krause and gruber actually left the agency because of the white house's booster...

S-400 antiaircraft systems to other countries. but in almost every case, the sanctions were imposed with trump complaining about it and saying we were being too hard. the fact is, that he barely knew where ukraine was. he once asked john kelly, his second chief of staff, if finland were a part of russia. it just is not accurate to say that trump's behavior somehow deterred the russians. this is not really a policy argument. this is about trump's lack of any significant historical knowledge, his lack of strategic thinking, and, frankly, his lack of thinking about pretty much anything other than...