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Motivations here, a lot of factors, and we're not going to, you know, get to the bottom of it until he talks more frankly about it. >> and zerlina, today is also the day, david's reporting is out there, and at the same time you see a kind of increased momentum toward let's get a deal and certainly for chuck schumer holding onto joe manchin as a member of the democratic party has to be part of that urgency. >> absolutely, lawrence, and i think that, you know, the leadership of the democratic party needs to keep their eye on the policy ball that the american people voted for, and we don't -- i d...

He's not talking about this to the full extent of his thinking on this is unclear whether this was strategic issue to gain leverage in these particular talks or if there's something more long-range in his thinking. it is something psychological that he doesn't feel at home in the democratic party as much as he might've once felt. so, i think there are a lot of different motivations here, a lot of different factors, and we're not gonna get to the bottom until he talks more frankly about it. >> and zerlina, today, is also the day david's reporting is out there and at the same time you see kind o...

Phrase from long ago, where's the beef? you have these friendly relationships, but are they advancing the policy ball at all, or are they, in fact, having a retreat? >> i do think there is a lot of emphasis put on the relationships. it was true of and gorbachev. for trump, it's true he doesn't want to do what his predecessor has done, and adversaries can put what they want him to do in those terms, they're going to get results from this president. >> macron has put a lot of capital on the line, and with the president on bastille day last year, and is he going to get the u.s. back in the paris ...