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>> you should watch the debate i had with him about you last night. >> i did. and i appreciate my defense. >> i was defending your campaign -- he doesn't think you have the policy jobs. and other people feel the same way. you don't have the policy chops. so when you say -- >> i think i do. i think i know more about policy than just about anybody. >> and millions of people are coming to you and you're winning. and that's what i told him. i told him that your campaign is brilliant and the results are right there. but they don't think you have policy chops. now, are you going to tell me tonight o...

I appreciate my defense. >> no, no, i was defending your campaign, not your policies. >> he's totally biased. >> you don't have the policy chops, and other people feel the same way. you don't have the policy chops. >> i think i do. i think i do. i know just about as much about the policies as anybody. >> that's what i told him, i told him that your campaign is brilliant, and the results are right there. but they don't think you have the policy chops. now, are you going to tell me tonight on this program that you don't say stuff just to get to the emotion of the voter? i know you do. >> i'll te...

People feel the say way you don't have the policy chops. >> i think i do. i know just as much about policy as anybody, bill. >>4l5ú3sr'g to you and you are winning. and that's what i told him. i told him that your campaign is brilliant and a the results are right there. but they don't think you have the policy chops. now, are you going to tell me tonight on this program that you don't say stuff just to get to the emotion of the voter? >> right now i don't. i'm doing the right thing. i bring up subjects that are important. i bring up illegal immigration. i got hit so hard with that if i didn't...

Like his strength but he has to show he has the policy chops. >> how does he do that? >> i think he has to speak more in specifics this time. he's going to be up there with marco rubio who has been studying up on these issues for a long time. jeb bush is going to make a splash. also ben carson what is his move going to be? >> he's been traveling overseas he's been criticized for not having those chops. he has to prove that as well. >> he's really slid in the polls with ted cruz rising. he has to show he has command of these issues and can actually talk about them. and the fourth thing it will ...

♪ arthel: and ahead of tuesday's highly-anticipated republican debate, we look at two very different candidates with a similar problem, debate performance. both ben carson and jeb bush having trouble expressing their core messages on stage. according to an editorial in "the wall street journal" entitled "ben carson's jeb bush problem," it could cost each candidate the nomination. according to the writer, carson fails to show detailed knowledge of important issues in the debate, and it's hurting his campaign saying, quote: possibly the semi-opacity of mr. carson's remarks doesn't matter and c...