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>> you know, joy, you talked about beto and julian castro who are both texans. i was down at the border interviewing beto o'rourke and he made all this news. i said look, there is a wall in el paso. should they take it down? he said yeah. it was an interesting moment, because he does have -- it's an issue where he has policy command. they put out a very comprehensive policy that would essentially go back to the case management system that would not necessitate detention. he has some policy command on it. if there is a single thing that he has genuine passion authentically coursing through him,...

Tension between the countries, between the two personalities, there is a sense of warmth. i have been in the room with donald trump and i'll tell you, he has an uncanny ability to size up other people. to size up a situation. he is good at that. and i think it's one of his great, great traits both as the negotiator and frankly as a president. i think it's important for him to sit down with putin, erdogan, even people that on the surface there is no reason that we would trust them, but building a relationship is still critical and important and i think he will do that. >> eric: critics say he d...