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video campaign offering russians a secure way to safely share secrets about the war in ukraine. inside that strategy, next. and the critical meeting in the next 60 minutes between president biden and kevin mccarthy over the debt ceiling. what we just learned from an influential member of congress. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments for us. let's start at the white house where against backdrop of a slightly nervous wall street, that high level, high stakes meeting is about to get underway with the full faith and credit of the u.s. at stake. monica alba jo...

That allows republicans to say they got concessions and democrats to say we negotiated on spending, which they were always willing to do, that might be the way out of this. the specific policy components are very much a mystery. very much recaptures on spent covid relief funds. permitting reform. tougher aid requirements meeting pushback. spending caps, very difficult to structure that in a way that meets democrats' demands for defense and non defense spending. 16 days to go before the ex date by the treasury department where the u.s. could default on its debt if no law is made. >> that could ...

When trump sprinkles them with the kool-aid and tells them to go out and act like this. >> none of this is surprise. this is guy who campaigned for president and how he's been running his presidency. i think the gop has hitched its wagon to a trump phenomenon because they're getting changes in the courts, they got a massive tax cut. so there are real policy components to this that are going to have long-term effects. i think for trump personally he doesn't care about policy. he's ill-informed and not t strategic. he cares about being center stage. >> that's his policy. >> i said it, he's a meg...

Problems that were focused on tackling. i don't think that they really care about some trash that an author that nobody had ever heard of until today or a fired employee wants to peddle. this is the focus of this administration moving our country forward and hopefully everybody in this room will join us in that effort and focus on some of the policy components instead of some of the ridiculous lives that we have to spend all of our time in here focused on. >> very quickly, is it your arm arm -- impression that something will be done, and a grand announcement of some sort that the president wou...

Versus all of these falsehoods. i don't think they care about some trash that an author that no one had ever heard of until today or a fired employee wants to peddle. this is the focus of this administration is moving our country forward and hopefully everybody in this room will join us in that effort and focus on some of the policy components instead of some of the ridiculous lies that we have to spend all of our time in here focused on. >> if i could follow up on immigration quickly. is it your thought that there will be a grand announcement on the wall? >> again, we'd like to make sure that...