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All sports. he's still going to be beneficial for democrats when he did not do that in 2012. so they're going to need him for that. >> it does go back to the idea of the presidential having a party the day after st. patrick's day. there are obama democrats and they show up to where it usually stays a political conversation, it's tough for the white house as it was in '06, there are policy consequences. he was nominated back in november, he had his -- republicans oppose him. again, look at the senate map. look at louisiana and west virginia.

He paused for a moment and looked at me and said, wes, they get it through their mother's milk. so we just used the phrase, language of disgust. obviously, there's a cultural disgust. and in the south, i think this hatred, this disgust, this disdain for blackness comes through their mother's milk. it's in the air, it's in the apples that they eat, it's in the tobacco that they plant. it is a profound disgust. so the question of interracial marriage a boo-boo, it just doesn't happen. it's impossible. it's against everything that we believe. it's against god's wish in the south. >> this notion o...

We heard lots of, as horrible as katrina was, when they're in the bush white house at that moment, they were hearing they're shooting people in the superdome and so on. he says you have to be cautious and not assume that every horror story you hear is actually coming true. this could be fixed in a few weeks. i think the danger here is that the system, the entire architecture of the health care reform, is built around getting a certain number of people, a certain number usually of young, healthy people to sign up in order to make the whole thing a going concern. and that's the anxiety. it's not...

I do think there is a way that kind of narratives of disaster do get caught up into the media universe, and ezra, particularly because so few people interface with actually the thing, itself, is does seem to me it would be possible that a media narrative of disaster does get created even embedded by people who actively want to see the thing fail to point you do create political, real political backlash that then does have policy consequences because people then in washington are trying to fix something that isn't actually broken. >> i think one thing to bring up there is when you pass a law on...

Be. it won't be about the political conversation. >> that i somewhat agree with which was the point i was trying to make it avik. let. play out. if it's as bad as you say it is, won't it be bad for the president? i do think there is a way that kind of narratives of disaster do get caught up into the media universe, and ezra, particularly because so few people interface with actually the thing, itself, is does seem to me it would be possible that a media narrative of disaster does get created even embedded by people who actively want to see the thing fail to point you do create political, real ...