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Biden is both of them. there's one other person that could blow the whole field up, i don't know if she's ever interested, michelle obama. >> she is not interested. >> other than her, the strength and comfort is joe biden. joe biden and kamala harris as vice president, wow. >> that could be a great ticket. i don't think michelle obama is interested. i think any combination would be interesting. i agree with you on strength but i still want vision, even if i have a strong person, i want to know where they're going to bring me. >> i was struck how vague that announcement was. it's his first run ...

Huge price so far for replacing the comey investigation with the mueller investigation. >> that's fascinating. back to the immigration point for a second. this is the moment chat we again to see if trumpism is a personality cult or if it has a high policy content. if the trump supporters stick when i am, while people like then are saying betrayal, betrayal, this is a movement centered on a man even more than his ideas. i do think the deal we're talking about, if it is a deal, is in some ways a graceful exit for the president. he can't get wall built. so he defers that. he is going to move the ...

It's among the stupidest debates in washington every time it happens. this is congress saying well, we've already passed a budget and handed out the money, but then in a second step will refuse to authorize the borrowing to pay for the budget we already agreed to. so there's really no point to it. and there's a good argument, it shouldn't be there in the first place. when congress passes a budget, congress is passing to pay for the budget too. and it hasn't got the kind of policy content that stands to rile up republicans and his base or democrats who might be angry at pelosi and schumer for g...

Know from one minute to another whether or not the presidency is a slave to the brand or the other way around. >> well, and betsy, it also goes to who is trusted in a system where there isn't a clear ideology. roger there talking about, quote, trumpism. but unlike goldwater or reagan, i don't know that there is a ton of policy content undergirding it. so what else is it about if not relationships? >> that's certainly a good question. and i think the major plates have been jettisoned with a few key exceptions. the fact that trump has made so much warm overtures to the president of china, the fa...

Mixed in a few pages from "monty python and the holy grail." i'm finished trying to fige out the ins and outs. look, all white houses are crazy in their own way. but this one is -- you don't know from one minute to another whether or not the presidency is a slave to the brand or the other way around. >> well, and betsy, it also goes to who is trusted in a system where there isn't a clear ideology. roger there talking about, quote, trumpism. but unlike goldwater or reagan, i don't know that there is a ton of policy content undergirding it. so what else is it about if not relationships? >> that'...