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They were plotting to stop families from arriving. they said we'll stop it and separate kids from parents. many of us will remember the homeland security secretary said there is no such thing as a family separation policy or a child separation policy, but this document says exactly the opposite. >> i want to be clear about this. because it drove me absolutely nuts covering this story, time and time again the white house and kirsten nielsen said you're out of your mind, no policy exists. you're saying this document is a policy document in which one of the policies they complimented is child sep...

Senator, what have you learned from these documents about the nature of the policy they followed and what they contemplated? >> what the documents show is extensive planning for a strategy of criminalizing and families crossing the border. at the same time administration said it's about criminals. they were plotting to stop families from arriving. they said we'll stop it and separate kids from parents. many of us will remember the homeland security secretary said there is no such thing as a family separation policy or a child separation policy, but this document says exactly the opposite. >> i...

Were talking about earlier today, if you can't indict a sitting president, why does the president take an oath of office? >> that's a great question. i don't know specifically why the president takes an oath. i'm not sure i can answer that, but i can tell you this. i read both of those opinions. the older one from 1973 is not all that compelling. it seems to be hastily assemble and not very well reasoned. the more recent from 2000 is a better policy document. that's a key word. it's a policy document. there is no law on this. there is no decisions. the supreme court and the appellate court trs...

Across the board, this is a president who wants life to be better for all americans and he's going to keep fighting and pushing for that. i think you'll hear him talk about that again tomorrow night. >> does a president know how to fight and push for black meshes, congressman? >> i don't know if he knows how, i would say he doesn't have the desire to do it. we took the meeting with the president. in fact we brought him this book, 130-page policy document, where not only looking at the problems in african-american communities, but also suggesting solutions. and the president didn't read it. the...

Acts like a duck, it's probably a duck. the president's action would lead many reasonable people to conclude yes, he's a racist. >> you have been in private meetings with president trump, congressman, you're the chairman and the head of the congressional black caucus. has he said things during the private meetings that have v raised red flags for you? >> well, look, i respect the position of the president, even if the president doesn't respect it. and most of what conversations with the president should be private, he has not necessarily said anything just outlandish like he did here. but when...