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40 congressman in the this freedom caucus. i think he ended up making the decision about a day or two or maybe even right in that conference meeting yesterday. and so now he's sort of looking forward. and i know that he and john boehner are both trying to make appeals to paul ryan to get in. the question is and i think manu pointed it out, he's sort at not really interested in doing this. i've talked to members who are friends of paul ryan who say, look, he's got young kids. he's got a wife. he goes back home to wisconsin every week. and he's also a policy guy. and just the speakership doesn't...

Got to stick around for another year, it's got to be paul ryan for them. >> robert costa of the washington post tweeting, sending out a number of tweets. one of them says boehner to ryan pitching the chair, per sources. pitching the ways and means chair. okay, in addition. so committee chairmanship -- >> he has that now. >> he's saying -- sorry. he says if you really want to change policy, do it from the top. you can be a policy guy/healer. according to robert costa that's the pitch bostehner is making. >> be a leader. i think part of the -- in addition to all the personal factors we've talked...

Administration thinks those ones are feasible. are you satisfied with the president's handling of this circumstance? he was very emotional as we heard from him late last week. >> i think there are things that he can do on his own. there are things that we, our policy guy, they are going to recommend to the president that there are steps that he can take as president. i think we need to -- i think some of those steps are incorporated in what mrs. clinton had suggested. >> mr. parker, we are sorry to be speaking to you under these circumstances. we appreciate your time on this critically importa...

Jack kemp is the book, "bleeding heart conservative who changed america" the author is with me now. i don't know if he would stick by boehner. you guys know better. but many conservatives say he abandoned the cause. >> hated real discord. he didn't like it when newt gingrich and the conservative opportunity society went after jim wright who deserved it. >> he didn't like even going after the other side. >> he was a policy guy. he believed about fighting about the level of ideas, not personalities and so on. and i think the whole idea of shutting down the government even over big issues would h...

One apologized to donald trump for going after him. frankly he's come out okay. he is the anti-trump. right? he's the guy that iowans are going to like. it shows. he's surging everywhere. >> he's not a positive opposite of donald trump. >> nobody wants a positive opposite at this point in the cycle. they want an outsider who is authentic, who can offer something different. carly fiorina has that, ben carson has that. they don't have the anger and all the baggage that donald trump has. >> they have no governing experience between the three people you just mentioned. that's okay. >> sure. >> tha...