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Relationship. it depends on what the president wants to achieve and how he wants to employ and influence power internationally. it's unique and personal relationship. and that nsa needs to be either a policy guy -- huge mistake. steve bannon assuming increased role there which is i think a mistake but that's a decision the president has made -- or needs to be intergrater, what you look for with nsa to take policy input from the s.e.c. dev and dhf, homeland security, integrate that and present policy polkts to the president. that's where we need to go to get away from this white water. >> there...

Incredibly damning about the department of defense during the vietnam war called dereliction of duty. many embraced that, i don't know that we need this type of criticism, this vocally in the military, it took a couple of selections for general officers to finally get him over the threshold and accelerate through. now he's doing incredible things in the military. >> how is that defiance going to play out in the white house, in a trump white house especially. >> i have to tell you, the primary issue is going to be, how is he going to comport. how is he going to work with the rest of that nation...

Which mccarthy had so much trouble with. >> you could argue to john and to chuck that paul ryan might want to make some demands like someone else would do the fund-raising, someone else would deal with the debt ceiling, which is imminent on november 5th. if i take this, i just take it for a year as a care taker and still do ways and means. i'm the policy guy, i don't want to get dragged down into this snakepit. >> interesting that luke said there is some mobilization on ryan, that -- i think -- i think the conservative wing of this party in the house has sort of used up their chips here. i thi...

Deciding out of nowhere to run for governor of texas in 1994. he's like, what? oh, two bushes are going to run for governor? how cute? jeb's always been the one that stood in line. he's always been the one that studied. he's the policy guy. he's the smartest guy if politics. i campaigned around bill clinton before. i campaigned around jeb bush. there is a lot of bs mixed in with bill clinton when he's talking. well that, and he'll -- jeb bush is the smartest policy guy that has been around in my life. this has to be driving him crazy mark halperin. by the way, guess what, we don't want him to ...

Out real -- well, christie has put out social positions on social security and medicare and kasich is a policy guy. it will be an interesting conversation if they are on. >> you and i were down in florida on friday when hillary clinton was unveiling her cuba policy and the polling has all shown that she is more in the center of the -- the sweet spot of polling as hispanic-americans and cuban-americans begin to move on lifting the embargo. here donald trump has said all along that he leads among latinos. we over sampled latin thats in our poll. 75% has a negative view of donald trump. 55% belie...