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Governing become nearly impossible at times and it hard to focus on the policy and will hurd is a policy guy. he likes diving into -- security and dreamers. he fell a little short. he got a little frustrated when you can't address the policy issues you're elected to fight for as a congressman. >> congressman, appreciate your time. coming up, a democrat who wasn't on the debate stage this week but hoping to be on it the next month. my conversation with tom steyer, the impeachment focused candidate next. i've been diagnosed with age-related macular degeneration, which could lead to vision loss...

Website, you see a lot of policy stuff. day after day after day, there's more and more policy stuff. there's a part of him that's like, i want to be me, that guy that's loose, and i want to be the policy guy. and for most of these people, it's pretty early on and there are still works in process. >> well, seven days from now, a big moment to stand out. >> no question, no question. we'll see. >> harry, thank you for doing this. >> who's going to be taller? bill de blasio or beto o'rourke. >> bill de blasio. >> beto o'rourke is pretty tall, too. >> totally the tallest guy i know. >> they're both...

They are ideas that a lot of people would agree with. >> they're beautiful, but are they realistic? >> it was interesting, because we sat down to do this and you got that big, broad brushstroke thing. we were there with him earlier when he was doing a roundtable with about 20 different people on immigration. he was so focused, so laserlike in this group, answering in english, in spanish. i was just the fly on the wall. he didn't even know i was there. and i thought, well, there's that guy and then there's the guy with the generalities that you saw a second ago. >> so, maybe -- is that a strate...

That. i don't. >> i am not thrilled. >> it is the fed. the fed is raising rates fast. it is independent so i don't speak to them but i am not happy of what he's doing. >> they raise interest rates too fast because they think the economy is so good. >> i think that they'll get it pretty soon. >> we have a gentleman that likes to raise interest rates. can you imagine where we left it. there is no inflation essentially. >> can you imagine if we left it at where it were. >> joining me john harwood. being a real estate guy, he likes to borrow money. he's something that wracks up a lot of debt. he b...

An eye on. >> what about acting defense secretary shanahan, is it time for not an acting defense secretary? is it time to have a real one? >> i mean, certainly the fact that he's more operational and isn't really a policy guy, so he doesn't have the same level -- even if he was the secretary of defense, he would not be a significant voice in determining what the policy outcome here. i want to be clear here. i don't think the concern is 120,000 troops on the dproubd and invading iran at all. i think the concern is you get an accident, you end up with a military confrontation that could lead to ...