an eye on. >> what about acting defense secretary shanahan, is it time for not an acting defense secretary? is it time to have a real one? >> i mean, certainly the fact that he's more operational and isn't really a policy guy, so he doesn't have the same level -- even if he was the secretary of defense, he would not be a significant voice in determining what the policy outcome here. i want to be clear here. i don't think the concern is 120,000 troops on the dproubd and invading iran at all. i think the concern is you get an accident, you end up with a military confrontation that could lead to a couple bombs flying and in the case of iran, the impact that would have on disrupting traffic through the straits of hormuz really raising oil prices globally, that's what is plausible now that wasn't a few months ago. and we know that trump doesn't want the sort of disruption that could really impact the markets. he likes showing that he's tough, he doesn't mind landing a couple hits, he didn't mind bombing syria when they were using chemical weapons, but that was a big win, that was over