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Into place. cruelty may be a factor but it's also a complete lack and knowledge of the logistics that go into policy implementation. you can have a policy output of we'll do mass deportations, zero tolerance, but there's a lot of steps that have to be put in place before them. in this case one of those steps should have been let's have a centralized location where we can have a safe space for children whose parents have been caught up in this raid. that should have been one piece of the puzzle. but in this administration i'm not surprised at the lack of the logistical detail and the lack of co...

Really a breaking point that i don't know what's going to happen, richard. >> well, victoria, you're right there. you're close by to what's happening and you've seen it yourself because you've been to the border. >> yes. >> we've seen a 124% i crease, according to this report, coming from dhs two days before on july 2nd. what are mayors doing there? what are cbos or community-based organizations, are they coming together because they're really the boots on the ground for all of these migrants when they're outside of the centers. >> absolutely. so the government has really failed in terms of th...

Proof in a criminal court of law. we don't try to correct what you've done wrong through policy implementation. what they're basing it on here is not quite in the constitution, the idea of familial integrity, being able to have your family associations together. and that is the argument of the aclu and those who are supporting the reunification of migrant children who are separated from their families. the idea here is about due process. when you're talking about separating families and children from their parents it's about you cannot deprive them of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or ev...

>> the democrats gave us the laws. now, i want the laws to be beautiful, humane, but strong. i don't want bad people coming in. i don't want drugs coming in. and we can solve that problem in one meeting. tell the democrats, your friends, to call me. >> what is that about? because it's not a law. this is trump administration zero tolerance policy. what, what does this mean here? >> i teach immigration policy. and i would know if there was a law saying we need to separate families out from their children. this is not the case. it's an issue of policy implementation. so the trump administration t...

Attorney general? >> that's your position, anderson. you've long held that position, anderson. i would think that most white house counsel certainly think it's their job to protect the president. the attorney general's job is -- >> wait. the white house counsel's job to protect the president or the presidency? the office of the president? my understand is don mcgann -- >> an excellent distinction. excellent distinction. the presidency, the office of the president -- serves the president in his official capacity, period, and that's it. >> that is it. >> the attorney general has an unusual role ...