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It's real about, because i think what ends up being the message here, is you are doing okay because you are white. >> no, that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm saying that even within our language, when we say something like white working class people are suffering x, y, z. implicit in that is that white people shouldn't be going through that. >> right. >> something about being white should somehow make you immune to that. >> right. >> that adjective isn't the story. >> right. >> if you say, i'm i saying there are a number of writers that get something out of that fact. >> what do you mean by...

Language, when we say something like white working class people are suffering x, y, z. implicit in that is that white people shouldn't be going through that. >> right. >> something about being white should somehow make you immune to that. >> right. >> that adjective isn't the story. >> right. >> if you say, i'm i saying there are a number of writers that get something out of that fact. >> what do you mean by that? >> it gives them more of a high ground, a relationship with a victim that they don't have with plaque people in the same way. an ability to relate in a way they can't necessarily t. ...

The appeal of groups like isis interesting to them. and that's what we should be puncturing. >> do you think the administration should release a public accounting? we're at the halfway mark, which is why we're digging into this. but perhaps at the end of the 90 days, experiencing how this works or because of the security implications? >> if your "assessment is you're going to conclude there has not been an isis inspired attack since president trump has become president, it means that the ban is the thing that we can look to as the reason why, we have a faulty premise. and the policy implicatio...

Do something, you sort of fall on your sword and say then i can't do this. i don't know what's happening here. that's to me the real question. and that has huge policy implications because if steve bannon is not sitting in that chair, if priebus is not sitting in the chair, i think we have a very different discussion about taxes, different discussion about health care, all of it. >> if you get somebody like secretary kelley as chief of staff, you'll run a much tighter ship. last point, bill. >> look, anthony scaramucci is not doing anything the president of the united states doesn't want him t...

That before. >> evelyn -- so, matt, what could that mean? >> what is also unusual you have all these attorneys advocating on behalf of their client when those clients' interests differ from somebody else. as you saw just a minute ago with trump's attorney distinguishing the father from the son. that i don't know what donald trump jr. is talking about. but i know donald trump himself was not in that meeting. they're not on the same page. >> the fallout from this is the policy implications. when it comes to the relationship with russia. we're seeing new developments this morning. but the russian...