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We're back. before we went to break we kind of zeroed in on this question about the structural factor, the structural economic factors and racial factors that play a role in the difficulties young men of color face and how you overcome them through small targeted policy interventions. you've been in your capacity to work on pilot programs. what's your feeling about that? >> i'm actually new to philanthropy. i spent most of my career as a civil rights attorney. i made a living, really, my life's cause to break down those barriers and that's still what i'm doing with philanthropy. people have to...

But it's horrible. you know, if you think about it, just pictures this in your mind, for one being an adult homeless, but for two adults homeless with a small child. you know, this myth that people have, i went to work i went to the section 8 office every day. my husband went to work every day. it was a simple fact it was so hard for us to get housing. then once you get put out, i'm sure you know, another landlord would look and say we don't want to take her, because she has a judgment -- >> because she's been out. >> or put out. not once sitting down with me and having the conversation to und...

Right now that is driving wages up. we need these policy interventions. >> but the correlation is inflation effect, and job killing effect in relation to raising the minimum wage, and can you address those issue sths. >> yes, this has always been the claim since 1938 when the minimum wage was first passed and we were told that we were moving toward socialism with the minimum wage, but the reality is that the very best research that has looked at 250 paired counties that are contiguous counties in states with differing minimum wages, and that has controlled for things like regional and economic...

Importance to the public is a real challenge. by listening to that, remembering the days that i was trying to message this from the white house and i thought man, why don't we just get clint eastwood. >> on the recovery zblakt west wing. recovery act. i think that the -- the unpopularity of the bailout which is the auto bailout was link flood, i believe that -- in terms of the others, it is beginning to fade and it is -- i think that it is because -- it is happening at the same time that you begin to see kind of the upturn in the economy you were talking about earlier. and as things get better...

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