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Against this ban if they are not ruling against the idea of the ban? >> you are articulated well. we're hear were one critic. the court here with a unanimous decision, as you point out the ninth circuit court, what they said they are not second-guessing policy judgment. that's not their job. they are looking at whether there's a rashal link here. whether this order still holds up or not tail orred enough to do what it days it is here to do. we know that some people assert that it grew out of the muslim ban, and can others deny that.

The facts are and you said it john what donald trump said during the campaign about russia is objectionable. you want a national security adviser, secretary of state, secretary of defense not to side with russia. when he divided ukraine. it's a policy judgment. that's what i think people have to think about when they look at this appointment and look at some of the other appointments. it's a fact that donald trump is going very first president of the united states with no prior public experience, political experience or military experience. he needs a sophisticated team around him and think of...

So he's no longer worried at all about the politics of obama care. do you think that's why he was able to expand medicaid and create the only state-based exchange in all of the south? >> well, sure. when you're lame duck as he is, it takes a lot of pressure off you. he has responsibilities to other democrats in the state. he understands that. i think there was a little bit of political risk in that respect. but that's one of the problems with the implementation across the country is that it has become basically a political exercise, if not an exercise in actually implementing a policy. many of...

Nothing about that. in fact, they don't even talk about racial polarization and voting very well. there's so much that they get wrong in this decision. that's why it won't stand the test of time. it's going to be overruled, no doubt about it. >> if i could jump in on barbara's point, i think the terrible irony is that they didn't look at alabama. the plaintiff in the case, who has an incredible recent record. >> absolutely. >> of voting violations, and has been under the microscope of the justice department for exactly that reason. >> and, you know, one of the things, i think, is very disen he...

He has an acute sense of what he thinks voters want to hear. he gives them that. he was saying, look, let's let them go. i think the voters of ohio understand that president obama said i am not going to let this backbone of american manufacturing collapse. i am not going to let 1 million people lose their jobs. i think the voters of ohio, the voters of michigan, i think they remember that. i think they say, look, this is a president who cares about us. he is a president who understands how our economy works and he is a president who when it was tough, when it was unpopular, when everybody was ...