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Minutes, the tape recordings from the white house, that was kind of the smoking gun. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time, congressman. >> you're welcome. we paid for it. we need to get it. >> all right, and i should point out by the way so everyone watching knows, yes, the taxpayers, we paid for it. because of the money mueller has recouped from people like manafort, this whole investigation is actually in the grains. pretty incredible. out front next president trump with his legal team. we're going to go to mar-a-lago. new details of his response we're gathering today, and muelle...

The informed congress tonight, the judiciary committees that mueller never tried to indict the president. now, of course that would be against justice department policy. but even though it was against policy mueller could have felt the president committed an indictable crime and felt like in any other situation he would have moved forward with an indictment. but in his letter today barr says mueller had never promised an action, and he was clear there were no such instances during the special counsel's investigation. it was very black and white. how big of a deal is that, james? >> yeah, that ...

The thing we should look for next, erin. >> thank you very much, laura. juliette, principle conclusions. how much is that really going to give us? we already know, for example, no more indictments. so i would expect that's one principle conclusion. >> i've been saying people who want everything and i'm watching some of the tweets on the hill, so there's a lot going on here. there are cases going on. there are investigations still going on. i am much more sympathetic to barr taking his time and protecting those investigations then because we know a lot of what animated mueller was of course gra...

Buckets. there's also the obstruction question, which is, you know, we've seen sort of all of the other aspects of mueller's investigation come out in court charges at some point. the gru, the internet research agency, paul manafort, michael flynn, other cases. but we haven't seen sort of this core question, the original sin that begat the mueller investigation in the first place, which was the firing of jim comey and sort of the actions that grew out of that. which again focus on the president, wouldn't have necessarily led to criminal charges understand the justice department guidelines, but...

That barr wants the justice department to be relieved of being viewed as political, he should explain, and i kind of like what i heard when he said he was going to consult with mueller, why certain materials would not be released and provide as much information as he can. so maybe i'm splitting the difference here, but i do think just given what's going on in the indictments and counter intelligence and all that stuff, i never anticipated that we would see the document that barr is seeing. barr, on the other hand, has an obligation. and he seems to be given a little bit of a nod to it by invok...