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They've set a high bar. they say he needs to come out more energetic this time. >> jeb bush is somebody who is very calculated, very focused on what his job is. he is not a bomb thrower. we didn't see that in the last debate. you could argue donald trump has the most to lose tonight. we put donald trump on such a high mountain right now. he leads the likes of jeb bush and scott walker and marco rubio by more than 20 points. if he falls flat on his face, it changes. >> under what prism is he judged? trump has not been seen that way over the last month. >> no, it's interesting, we had sarah at h...

In time in past cycles because it's a list of losers. so i think we should just step back for a second. the big problem that hillary has, as i was saying at the beginning, she desperately wants to change the conversation. putting up policy papers was one way to do it. it hasn't really worked in this media climate. there isn't anything until mid october when she goes before the benghazi committee that will allow her to pivot away from the conversation. that's pretty far away. >> all right. sam stein gets the last word on it tonight. >> yes. >> sam stein, and sam stein is always the happiest to ...

We spoke shortly before tonight's event. in the last debate, donald trump said he didn't prep or cram or study policy leading up to it. are things any different this time around? >> i have to find out. this is, i've only been with the campaign about two and a half weeks and have the opportunity here, we've been sending him material to get prepared and i know that mr. trump is working hard at preparing for this debate. this is a very substantive subject matter when we're talking about national defense and foreign policy and those areas and this is something hopefully we'll be able to keep on ta...

They actually started. she started at astronomical highs and he started at dismal lows. that helped contribute to the trajectory. on the other hand, i think we do need to take a deep breath. this is still early september. anyone who studies the polling data will tell you that these things change. i don't need to go into all the people who were up at this point in time in past cycles because it's a list of losers. so i think we should just step back for a second. the big problem that hillary has, as i was saying at the beginning, she desperately wants to change the conversation. putting up poli...

Tonight's event. in the last debate, donald trump said he didn't prep or cram or study policy leading up to it. are things any different this time around? >> i have to find out. this is, i've only been with the campaign about two and a half weeks and have the opportunity here, we've been sending him material to get prepared and i know that mr. trump is working hard at preparing for this debate. this is a very substantive subject matter when we're talking about national defense and foreign policy and those areas and this is something hopefully we'll be able to keep on task and have a great deba...