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Tried to coalesce, then we can see some movement. but i do think that republicans are actually coming into a pretty weekend position, not just internally, but they haven't put forward any real ideas other than trying to scare voters into crimes up, immigration is everywhere, but that is just a statement that is not a policy position and it is definitely not a solution. >> and, brandon, as we talk about sort of what is going on in the republican party, former president trump, he posted an article urging him to run as a third party. what could be the potential impact of that especially for repub...

>> anita: good point. katie, let me have you respond. >> president biden has a lot of things he can do here to stop the flow from coming. the truth is the administration is fine with it because they don't want to take on a their progressive base which thinks that the border should be wide open. the fact is, the border was closed under president trump. for political reasons, the biden administration decided to reject every single policy position that was working for the sake of saying they're repealing what they call president trump's inhumane policies. when there's thousands of people sleeping...

Certainly, we are seeing that divide across political lines. >> our public health officials communicating this to governors like desantis, who are doing things that actively undermine a drive to vaccinate their state populations? the sort of moral bankruptcy of this political strategy has a practical effect on their citizen mortality? >> what's interesting is states, as you know, alex, are fairly insulated. and governor desantis has surrounded himself with individuals like dr. ladapo. -- i use that honorific very likely here. who essentially kowtows and puts of policy position that he knows th...

Officials communicating this to governors like desantis, who are doing things that actively undermine a drive to vaccinate their state populations? the sort of moral bankruptcy of this political strategy has a practical effect on their citizen mortality. >> what's interesting is, states, as you know, alex, are fairly insulated. and governor desantis has surrounded himself with individuals like dr. ladapo. -- i use that honorific very lightly here. who essentially kowtows and puts of policy position that he knows the governor is going to agree with -- and the governor, i will say this -- the be...

Mccarthy doing it from the border force the president to deal with the absurdity of, oh, the border is secure when we all know it's not? >> i think talking about the border is a legitimate issue. i think holding stunt press concerns, shipping migrants and the other things that you see republican politicians is doing -- doing is illegitimate. kevin mccarthy is the speaker of house, where is what he wants to do? if he wants to build a wall, say it. if he wants to cut off all immigration, say it. these political stunts should be covered as such. when you are the chief legislator in our country no...