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Thinking about and should be planning for. >> last question to you. we have dealt with the legal side of things. let me ask about the policy side of things. mpr reporting on an investigation by maryland lawmakers announced friday. they were informed by the fbi about links between a russian oligarch and the software company that services parts of the state's voter registration systems. for me, this was a huge take-away from that 29-page indictment on friday. what we learned about the vulnerability of the electoral system back in 2016, what the legacy effects of that might be. from a policy pers...

To them as fine people. this is not history book stuff. this is on the march right now. and the other piece is the policy side of this. and that is, the fight for voting rights for instance. we have to recognize not that these fights are back from the past, but instead the civil rights movement never actually ended. if you go to birmingham and you go to the museum there and look at the articles on the wall, you will be reminded that the march in selma was about registering to vote. and what are we talking about now all the time, just in the last couple of days, possible supreme court justice w...

Been released in the united states and the government is having trouble tracking them down. the government was asking, do we have to reunite these kids with the parents who have been deported? the judge said yes. they tried to fight back on that but the judge said you absolutely have to. the aclu lawyer who has led this effort offered the assistance of his organization to try to find them. that's why the government has to produce this list so the aclu and other organizations can try to track down the parents. it's only a small sample but it gives us an idea of the challenge ahead as they try t...

Immigration reform. we are where we are today because our elected leaders have failed us, that's on both sides. >> chris whipple i want to bring you into the conversation. on that point george will writes about that in his column for the "washington post" this morning. we have a republican congress seemingly unwilling to stand up to the president of the united states. how much has that fed when we're seeing now? how much will it continue to feed what we're seeing now. rina talks about the way the president controls the narrative. when you look at the articles in the "washington post" and "the ...

Clients. >> all right. counsel, thank you very much. there is still no answer on what's going to happen not just with these kids, as beautiful as they are. not to discount them. but they're one of this huge group. 2,000 kids are scattered all over the country. and any plan to actually fix the system is stuck in partisan mud. everybody says they care, but nobody is doing their damn job. so let's talk to a man who knows both the personal side of this and the policy side. joining us now is the commerce secretary under president george w. bush, carlos gutierrez. mr. secretary, thank you for joinin...