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Sort of come at him a little bit from disappointment -- so, say, look, he was a good president. he did a lot of good things. he had a lot of good ideas. but he didn't complete all of his promises. he said he was going to build a wall at the southern border and he didn't. he said mexico was going to pay for it and it didn't. he said he was going to win in 2020 and it didn't. and so to sort of make the argument that he was good and i like him, his time has passed, it's time to move on to someone who has, similar to him, policy wise, but without all of that baggage and chaos and controversy that ...

Or contend with her think about. he has a hardened silo of support that is not _ has a hardened silo of support that is not enough to win an election, but it— is not enough to win an election, but it is— is not enough to win an election, but it is really loyal and really hardened. that's why all of them are trying to— hardened. that's why all of them are trying to thread the needle by saying — trying to thread the needle by saying i'm running against you, but i'm saying i'm running against you, but i'm a— saying i'm running against you, but i'm a big— saying i'm running against you...

Economy, when it comes to taxes, even though there has not been substantial pieces of legislation in our recent history to support that. but because they say it so much, people believe the it's true. democrats i think have to do better about saying the thing over and over and over. >> jonah, do you accept my sort of premise that what bill clinton acknowledged in the mid-90s suddenly now republicans in that chamber, okay, we don't want to be -- we don't want to cut spending? >> yeah. look, look, no one is consistent on the spending issues on either side of the aisle. i agree with symone and the...

To be president. overall, desantis has 32% support. so there is a difference in the numbers. the numbers can still be very different from standing on a debate stage where forgive me, but trump, you know, little marco, lying ted, low energy jeb, he's a human chainsaw. >> there doesn't appear to be that much daylight between trump and desantis. policy wise, they lean very to the right, desantis sometimes more than trump. one area, we were talking about social security and medicare. one area trump hit a lot of his republican challengers on in 2016 was social security and medicare. saying i'm not ...

Completely re-wrote the book, and added a voice that would be relevant to young people. because young people are trying to understand what happened to tyre nichols. young people want to be part of a force of change, and we're trying to bind them in that direction with how to be a young anti-racist. >> the core question in wesley lowery's piece about policing is what a racial reckoning will actually require, right? that we've seen a number of times when it has seemed as though that energy is there, the tension is there, and then you have something, like the killing of tyre nichols, that reminds...