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Jeb's second grandchild means for his candidacy. vice president joe biden, senator elizabeth warren, andrew cuomo or governor martin o'malley. the vice president is the only one of them not polling in the single digits. so you got to ask, if not hilary, then who? >> that decision hasn't been made, for real. >> i have been preparing in terms of the thought work, the policy work and the groundwork necessary to offer a better direction forward for our country. >> is the presidency off the table here, governor? long-time people thought you were going to run for president? is hillary clinton in tha...

Care? >> i don't think it would be the first time an employee of any administration have a come to jesus. i love that term and think it is hilarious. there is 83,000 hss employees and the roll out was a challenge. we are trying to move one of the largest pieces of legislation we have seen in history. and it was a mess. it was a blupderring thing and i don't think that is new. i think they are trying to problem solve and apply discipline to make the policy work. but the fundmental thing that changed, the political climate has republicans and democrats when they used to come together and problem...

Conser conservative health care. i think you see an interesting split where you have some people doing policy work. it is often the state versus the state level, there is room on education policy and crime and various things locate that. >> and to implement that. is that where a lot of that work is going is in the estates. >> often you see the state level is better than the federal work t. staff is there with the ability to produce real policy, i agree. the think tank is there. will they listen? >> let's get the democrats in here, too. these are challenges the democrats are peaceing. one is th...

>> what they should be concerned about is 2014. beyond the policy, there's a political cost, and it could be the senate. that's why you have senate democrats saying things like fix this and trying to propose things that they think might help make this policy work better going forward. mary landrieu, mark pryor, all of these -- you have all of these vulnerable senators in red states that are really saying, okay, the time is now to get this together and that's what they should be worried about going into 2014 because this has got to get better for those senators to hold on. >> jackie kucinich, m...

Culture of surveillance seekers and one thing is feeding the other. >> yes, that is absolutely true, and you can draw a straight line from one to the other. >> and there is big work, policy work that needs to take place in washington, d.c. and we are talking about immigration reform, and there is a debate going on right now about whether the senate should bring up the immigration reform for debate and the debate about the debate and the senate won't hold any votes, but as we look at a new poll from the latino decisions on immigration being the most important facing the latino community that sh...