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Believe that if you cite scripture somehow you are written out of argument and you are somehow in a way that is against the constitution introducing religion into politics, there is no prohibition about opposing policy x for whatever reason. it could be religious or secular. >> absolutely. you have every right. if you want to expand your constituenciy. >> bill: that's right you want to win the argument, the majority. >> you have to go outside the narrow bounds of your own religion. that's always been true and that's what happens in a pluralistic society. >> bill: all right. chals. i got some o...

Against abortion or against homosexual marriage because i believe in the bible. that, i respect completely. and i don't argue. however, if you want to persuade people who are not of your faith. you have to go beyond that or you will not succeed. and since we are not a majority country where everybody has the same interpretation of the bible, i think you have to make a case that goes beyond it it's not that i have no respect for it. or that some liberals, i believe that if you cite scripture somehow you are written out of argument and you are somehow in a way that is against the constitution in...

Against abortion or against homosexual marriage because i believe in the bible. that, i respect completely. and i don't argue. however, if you want to persuade people who are not of your faith. you have to go beyond that or you will not succeed. and since we are not a majority country where everybody has the same interpretation of the bible, i think you have to make a case that goes beyond it it's not that i have no respect for it. or that some liberals, i believe that if you cite scripture somehow you are written out of argument and you are somehow in a way that is against the constitution in...

Can't tell which way's up, which way's down and who's on their own side is not the way to get that. this is like being wheeled in for heart surgery and looking up and seeing that it is actually edward scissor hands leaning over you in a mask and scrubs ready for thorpgs on which your life depends. joining us now is jared bernstein, a senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. former economic policy adviser to vice president joe biden. and he's an msnbc and cnbc contributor. jared, it is always a pleasure to have you here. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask your opinion ...

This is like being wheeled in for heart surgery and looking up and seeing that it is actually edward scissor hands leaning over you in a mask and scrubs ready for thorpgs on which your life depends. joining us now is jared bernstein, a senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. former economic policy adviser to vice president joe biden. and he's an msnbc and cnbc contributor. jared, it is always a pleasure to have you here. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> let me ask your opinion as somebody with a background in economics that you have about how big a deal it would be if we don'...