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More comfortable here. i've just seen his performances have been much more even on the stump here in south carolina. and that's part of the reason why he's in his poll position here. >> garrett, good to see you as always. garrett haake has moved to myrtle beach, south carolina, just in the course of this interview that has lasted a few minutes. i want to bring in the chair of the south carolina democratic party. trav robinson. >> thank you for having me. >> look, it's always interesting when you've got a base that likes a candidate, and that candidate's really strong. but what you never want t...

It means, it's been hard for most of the candidates to gain traction. >> you were in iowa four days ago. that is a precipitous drop. there's a thought the first attack may have boomeranged on her. what are you seeing and hearing on the ground in iowa when it comes to harris and biden, the candidates who had been in poll position a month ago? >> i think alex is right that harris is very gifted at creating these sort of set piece moments as you said and those moments really do go a long way. i think that's why we have seen her really go up and down in the polls a lot, right? there have been a lo...

She's a senior fellow at independent women's voice and she joins us tonight. >> hi, tucker. >> tucker: so, lisa, clearly the harris campaign believes that they are in the poll position here and they want to maintain that. how would you assess her efforts to keep her front runner status last night? >> i thought she got her but kicked by senator tulsi gabbard. look, kamala harris reminds me l lot of hillary clinton where she is smart, she presents herself well, but she has no core convictions, and that's very evident in her ever changing position on health care. just to walk you through the time...

They have to really make a moment. that's tough in the scenario with ten people on the stage, as we saw in miami. angling for time. as a debate moderator, that's the biggest challenge. to make sure it's fair but also interesting for the viewers and voters. >> julie: kirsten gillibrand came out recently, and i think it's because she is pulling so low, she's trying to get that name recognition. the more we talk about them on tv they might think the more chances there chances their notoriety might help them in the polls. she made a comment -- and i'm wondering how this comes up in the debate -- t...

Requirement on an average of four polls. so far only if you have qualified of the september debate. you have candidates who have to go through a hail mary to try and affect their position and come september. we talked about the beginning there, debate night 2 with joe biden and kamala harris back in poll position, if you will, i think biden has to have a good performance. he has bounced back in the polls. he hasn't lost what he lost after that first debate. with another poor performance, there will be a question about whether he is the guy to go up against donald trump in the fall. >> julie: h...