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President knew about manafort. everybody knew what he was about overs overseas and made money in ways you might not want to know. the surprise factor very low for the president, in my estimation. secondly, paul manafort colluded with people connected to russian interference. >> this is a polling argument? >> it's not a polling argument. >> the polling, you made that argument -- >> you took internal data, you gave it to somebody that the government believes is connected to russian intelligence and then the russian trolls started targeti targets the same places and faces the campaign did. >> you...

The surprise factor very low for the president, in my estimation. secondly, paul manafort colluded with people connected to russian interference. >> this is a polling argument? >> it's not a polling argument. >> the polling, you made that argument -- >> you took internal data, you gave it to somebody that the government believes is connected to russian intelligence and then the russian trolls started targeting the same places and faces the campaign did. >> you're really making the argument the polling information paul manafort may or may not have shared with russians -- >> not may or may not. ...