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Outmanufactured by sophisticated legal and lobbying campaigns. certainly has happened in washington before when you're dealing with rich people. >> right. >> what does it tell you here that we're learning more about the way the trump administration is letting off this putin oligarch and congress, to be clear, has a majority in both houses that wants to stop this. it's only that there are enough republicans to filibuster it that it wasn't stopped yet. >> right. well, the larger question that we have here now, ari, we can no longer say there is no connection between the president of the united s...

Kgb too the head of the government. soviet union and this will be like having a document by the current head of the -- russian fssb or gru directly are to putin to say here's an offer that is being made by senators so and so on behalf of your donald trump or whoever. and a all laid out right there and -- >> instead professor we're left with there was a meeting with donald jr. and some others and nothing actually took place. or now we read in newspaper that -- perhaps manafort shared polling information with somebody or something like that. we have caused for impeachment with calls for indictme...

Governments, non-friendly governments? anyone else? >> i thought it was the outside polling data that was the wrong data. >> i'm making light of this because of the absurdity of what rudy giuliani said. we cannot connect these dots. the special counsel is trying to see if they can be connected. if you have polling data that say, here are our strengths, here are our weaknesses. why they have this inactive polling information, that's gold. >> sirens kind of went off across the board. okay, this is actual substantive documentation of something trading hands that could have a tangible effect on ho...

To go to. and really it's in some ways not surprising at all. first of all he changes his story a lot. but the evidence at that point, in my opinion, technically it's already established there's collusion. you have manafort's meeting and giving the polling information. you have other folks who have lied about contacts. that case has already been established. what's not established is did somebody in the campaign authorize that? who else knew about it? d does it go to the president? but at this point it's closed book on the fact that there was contact between trump's campaign and the russians. ...

Campaign manager is slipping polling information to the russians? how could the president not know when his own son orchestrated a meeting in the trump tower with russian representatives to get dirt on hillary clinton? it all looks like the president knew a lot. but the defense here is he didn't know. we'll have to see what mueller has. i'm assuming there may be other things because the mueller investigation has been thorough and detailed in every case when an indictment is filed. i think eventually we'll see more of the connection. >> thank you for your expertise this morning. let's dive deep...