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It, did he capitulate. the president won't do that. we'll have to get him out a little differently than the way richard nixon left. he's equally lawless if not worse. we went from 43 to 49 on the impeachment remove. when we get to 60 he's done. so one way or the other, either there will be virtuous and righteous republicans that will come forward and say this is berserk or we'll get him with the polling numbers. the polling numbers are creeping up. he had a 15% polling move in a month. i believe in the laws of compounding. >> does politics go back to whatever it was? or is this the new normal?...

Thing you learned in catholic school growing up, you learned scholastic philosophy, you could discern the difference, you could distinguish between the essential and the accidental. and it seems like at every stepf the way, she's sticking to the essential. what's impeachable, what do we need to get to a vote on it, to get this out of the house some time this year, and maybe around thanksgiving time. she's sticking to the essential. >> right. well, and we'll see if that strategy plays out. longer term, the strategy does cause a lot of members have to go on the record and vote, which was a sense...

>> is it okay for you to ask a foreign rival -- >> this is about -- >> we want to hear from you. you're a smart guy and know the debate. >> this is about the politics of the moment. this is why they're trying to do this now. >> joining me to discuss, mark sanford, former congressman from south carolina. we appreciate you taking the time this morning. >> yes, sir. >> so you saw that interaction there. painful, you might say. why can't republicans say simply, it's wrong for a u.s. president to ask a foreign power for help in the election? >> because they want to be on the receiving end of a bad ...

Think donald trump should be impeached. those are the same polls that have donald trump's approval rating at 40%. they were not favorable groups of donald trump. they just didn't think he would be polling move. it may not stay where it moves to. but given the fact that, again, just go and read the rough transcript of the conversation between the ukrainian president and donald trump or the whistle-blower complaint or both. i just do not see how you can read those things and say, this seems above board, there was no pressure here, there was no reminder that the u.s. does a lot. my guess is you w...

Hard right will say i don't want to spend any money on health care so they're stuck between a rock and hard place and they don't know what to do and i'll say one other thing, chris, the momentum as you pointed out is changing. people are now realizing. when they called for a repeal, repeal and they couldn't do it. people said, yeah maybe they should repeal it. now that it's a factor people are realizing how much they benefit and lots of those people are blue-collar people in red and purple states that voted for trump. >> is that your theory of what we're seeing in the polling? we're seeing the...