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Put positive -- popular legislative items that manchin can support. let him get to yes and put the onus on republicans to say can you get to ten on this? infrastructure is pop lash. john lewis voting right act is popular. that's where the democrats need to pivot and putt manchin in a position to be helpful. >> would be interesting to see lyndon johnson majority leader at this moment in history. thank you both for bringing the fire. reasoned arguments from the friends. thank you both for coming on and staying up with us. for us, more from the exclusive nbc news interview with russian presiden...

Republican house of representative does on this payroll tax cut and many other issues. alisyn: what do you think about the class warfare battles and rhetoric about millionaires need to pay more of their fair share, you can't put this on the back of the middle class. the president has been talking about that a lot but it's hard to tell if that's gaining traction with the american people and that's what they care the most about. >> it's not what they care most about. it is pop lash. there is no question. if you ask people who they want to tax if they believe a tax increase is necessary, they wil...