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Happened, but once upon a time, you had people like mitch mcconnell and mccarthy and other leaders, they were considered establishment rhinos. they weren't trusted by people like, say, jim jordan or mark meadows. now they're all on one page when it comes to donald trump. look, i think what you have here is not -- it's not just spin. it's contradicting the actual report, but really it's creating an alternate universe, an alternate reality. that's what's really scary about this. it's the post-truth, your truth, my truth, post-fact republican party that we have right now. it's not about defending...
Of eight, matt, which means he's briefed on sensitive intelligence matters. does that make his lies even more troubling to you? >> yeah, i think it does. it's interesting what's happened to the republican party. i mean so many things have happened, but once upon a time, you had people like mitch mcconnell and mccarthy and other leaders, they were considered establishment rhinos. they weren't trusted by people like, say, jim jordan or mark meadows. now they're all on one page when it comes to donald trump. look, i think what you have here is not -- it's not just spin. it's contradicting the act...
When they hear the thousand, they'll just assume it's something else and presumably push the white house press secretary around a lot. >> the question is whether we'll get the trump discount, discount by 30% or whether people will make a big deal out of it, and if they make a big deal out of it whether it will matter. the fact is, he was fact checked for 15 months. the "new york times" at one point did a story on the dozens and dozens of lies he told over the course of a week or two. no one cared, or at least his supporters didn't care. >> that's the question, does the post-fact, post-truth en...
Media and the press will, i don't think that the path logically lying donald trump will be able to get away with quite the degree of ah, trump, of course he exaggerated. i don't think it's going to be as easy for him as president. >> there will be a time when the white house press corps will react to numbers that way. when they hear the thousand, they'll just assume it's something else and presumably push the white house press secretary around a lot. >> the question is whether we'll get the trump discount, discount by 30% or whether people will make a big deal out of it, and if they make a big...