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He might take that as a personal loss if he has distance. john kelly has been through a lot and one question i have is how long is he going to want to remain in the job? >> and there's always the challenge, you know, to borrow senator blount's language as he described another leader, there is another one that spoiled that he has to manage and i don't know how long this is going to last. >> the happiest about john kelly are lawmakers on capitol hill and finally, they're getting a clear message out of the white house. >> all of it gets tested in the month of september. you guys are great. apprec...

Loss if he has distance. john kelly has been through a lot and one question i have is how long is he going to want to remain in the job? >> and there's always the challenge, you know, to borrow senator blount's language as he described another leader, there is another one that spoiled that he has to manage and i don't know how long this is going to last. >> the happiest about john kelly are lawmakers on capitol hill and finally, they're getting a clear message out of the white house. >> all of it gets tested in the month of september. you guys are great. appreciate it. >> thanks, chuck. >> rou...

Turn out, and at some point from a political point of view, however enthusiastic they may be about demand, that's going to catch up to them. >> the difference between the surge voters, i think they'll defend him. the flip voters, they were voting against hillary clinton and the establishment. >> and they are waiting. they are waiting for the republicans to do something. what's been the entire theme of our conversation, the lack of leadership. >> and also you think about the fact that he hasn't expanded his base beyond these voters that were already for him. he hasn't gone to those states where...

Ahead of you could really resinate. >> rich, the fact is, if we don't get this retirement soon, it isn't going to happen. justices are mindful of the political calendar. >> everyone on the right is hoping he retires, a lot of great things, cross-country trips, barbecuing. >> that's for the birds. >> if trump got a second pick, it would really, almost that would cement his domestic legacy for conservatives. >> biggest mess, biggest political fight. >> more than now? >> gorsuch was tough, this would be political war to end political war. >> all right, i have to leave it there. that's all we have...

The end. americans are all the same in the end but you like to pretend you're not. i don't think it's that hard of getting back to that position in understanding how similar you all are. >> see, we're all more similar than we're not. thank you, malcolm. try his podcast revisionist history. it will make you think, trust me. then there's the podcast we call 1947. my guest this week, a more extended interview with malcolm gladwell. have a tremendous holiday and remember all those freedoms we do enjoy even when we use those freedoms to attack each other. we'll be back next week. because if it's ...