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Defund obama care. they're saying don't pay attention to what happened in 1995 when there was a huge backlash against republicans when they shut down the government. don't pay attention to anything in your common sense that might tell you that america won't like republican members of congress shutting down the government. believe us when we tell you that we've push polled on the issue and we've come up with a way to tell you it's going to be fine. what packetly is the republican party auditioning for right now? what exactly are they trying to win? joining us now is steve kornacki, steve, thank...

That's not what he likes to do. what charles i think doesn't get quite right is that there is really actually earth-shattering stuff from conservatives in here. charles, we never have seen before the republican party establishment call for comprehensive immigration reform. i mean, that is a very different -- >> what are you talking about? that's not true. that's not true. >> not in this republican party post-george w. bush. so what you've seen is you've seen a huge swing in the party. it's gone from tea party republicans, sort of an insular, more isolationist party, come back around and -- >> ...

Stuff from conservatives in here. charles, we never have seen before the republican party establishment call for comprehensive immigration reform. i mean, that is a very different -- >> what are you talking about? that's not true. that's not true. >> not in this republican party post-george w. bush. so what you've seen is you've seen a huge swing in the party. it's gone from tea party republicans, sort of an insular, more isolationist party, come back around and -- >> because they can't win. >> we deserve -- well, don't we deserve credit for evolving, then? that's what's really going on here. ...

He said it was tragic to leave iraq, and then he said it was fine. he said we should have intervened in libya sooner. then he ran down a hallway to run away from the reporters who were asking questions. then he said, the intervention was too aggressive. then he said the world was a better place because the intervention succeeded. talk about being for it before you were against it. >> what a difference eight years makes. john kerry, the democratic presidential nominee in 2004, derided by the republicans that year as the for it before he was against it guy who couldn't be trusted to take over fo...

>> what a difference 8 years makes. john kerry, the democratic presidential nominee in 2004, derided by the republicans that year as the for it before he was against it guy who couldn't be trusted to take over foreign policy from george w. bush. amazing as it sounds that republicans ran on foreign policy in the era of george w. bush, they certainly did. but now in the post-george w. bush era, republicans can do no such thing. they're still using the military for a prop. they unveiled their vice presidential nominee by having him literally run out from a battleship as if he had just been in the...