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Know, they believe he had thrown down the toilet. what it could be, brianna, it could be anybody's guess. it would be post-its, notes he wrote to himself. we don't know. it does add another dimension to what we know about how he handled material in the white house. we have known for several years since my colleague andy carney broke the story that trump ripped up pieces of paper and they had to tape it up for archival. this is what he has done all his life in terms of ripping them up. this was something different. it was not, as i'm told, an isolated incident. . >> several times? several times...

Rights and due process rights are being trampled upon as a result of that and i applaud this jury for paying attention to the issue of credibility, because the defense had a point that they're motivated by money, at least to two of them. they never brought up maxwell in years of sitting down with law enforcement, until they lawyered up and there was money in the pot for them. so, i commend them for that. and with respect to the complexity, jim, this is an indictment with six counts, four accusers, and each of these counts have elements. there's conspiracy counts, there's sex trafficking counts...

The vaxed and the unvaxed. and the difference between those groups is going to become increasingly stark. those people that die and go to icus are going to be unvaxed. so what could be a more clear message than that to people? >> yeah. i don't think there is one. doctor, thank you so much for that. and thanks for the words of advice for this new year. we appreciate it. >> sure. and we are still waiting on verdicts in two high profile faces this week. juries returning to deliberations in the ghislaine maxwell and elizabeth holmes trial. in new york the discussions are ongoing. this morning th...

Against the backdrop of rising infections here in new york. ahead of the holiday break, the judge told the jury to stay safe, essentially be careful over the last would you mean of days when they had this break to be with family and friends and essentially not get sick. effective today everyone who is with the jury, they are required to wear a hospital grade mask, so those n-95 masks. as far as we know there are no covid issues at this point and they are moving forward with delay three deliberations. joe, i can tell you in just the past couple of hours, we have a couple of updates from the jur...

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