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There's already whispers of potential backlash. could there be a backlash against "the new york times" about that? that's something the president's allies are speculating about as well. >> well, if you're going to be a whistleblower, i don't know, get out there and blow the whistle. let's go to nbc's peter alexander. you were at the white house yesterday. you print add copy of the op-ed, walked it inside, handed it to bill shine and i was blown away to learn this. you were the first to give it to him. >> this was remarkable. i printed it, read it, walked upstairs inside west wing, went into bi...

Celebrities like jack johnson, and those who were on celebrity apprentice kwie apprentice. those are the people he knows. that's the world he knows. those are the folks he wants to send a signal with. i think there's no question whether it's flynn, manafort or other people in the probe, that's part of this too. look, i have this power. i'm not afraid -- >> do you guys all agree he will use it to protect himself? if jared kushner gets prosecuted, if his son and namesake donald junior gets nailed, will he move -- is there any doubt in your mind? >> i have doubt. >> he might not spring his son-in...

Subject to prosecution under the espionage act of 1917, and subject up to ten years in jail. this is mind numbingly reckless on the part of the president. >> do you have concerns, as our previous guest jeremy bash, a veteran of defense and cia, was saying that this will have a chilling effect on the people in our intelligence community wanting to get their work product seen by the boss because of potential backlash on sources and methods? >> absolutely. there is no doubt that there is the potential for that downside. but i think there's an upside to this, as well. if i may, making lemonade out...

This is mind numbingly reckless on the part of the president. >> do you have concerns, as our previous guest jeremy bash, a veteran of defense and cia, was saying that this will have a chilling effect on the people in our intelligence community wanting to get their work product seen by the boss because of potential backlash on sources and methods? >> absolutely. there is no doubt that there is the potential for that downside. but i think there's an upside to this, as well. if i may, making lemonade out of lemons. i think this will harden the resolve of the members of the intelligence community...

Subject to prosecution under the espionage act of 1917, and subject up to ten years in jail. this is mind numbingly reckless on the part of the president. >> do you have concerns, as our previous guest jeremy bash, a veteran of defense and cia, was saying that this will have a chilling effect on the people in our intelligence community wanting to get their work product seen by the boss because of potential backlash on sources and methods? >> absolutely. there is no doubt that there is the potential for that downside. but i think there's an upside to this, as well. if i may, making lemonade out...