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A federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. and matthew dowd mo, friend, former chief strategist for the bush cheney 2004 presidential campaign and an msnbc political analyst. welcome to both. carol, let's start with a possible charges against trump. what's your immediate reaction to the committees possible recommendations on where you also surprised to see insurrection in that list? >> seeing insurrection is a little bit of a surprise because it is such an extreme potential charge to be bogged. but i wanna put this in context. it's important to bear in line that a referral is a far cry from...

Charge to bring. hadn't been tested very recently in our modern history, not in yours or mine lifetime. and here we had a situation that was literally unprecedented. they convicted someone for using violence to essentially attack a government proceeding that was an attack on our democracy, an attack on our country. that has downstream effects in one respect that i can think of right off the bat alex which is, when you convict someone like stewart rhodes of an organized violent conspiracy, the next potential charge is, who else was involved in organizing a conspiracy to block the peaceful trans...

Using violence to essentially attack a government proceeding that was an attack on our democracy, an attack on our country. that has downstream effects in one respect that i can think of right off the bat alex which is, when you convict someone like stewart rhodes of an organized violent conspiracy, the next potential charge is, who else was involved in organizing a conspiracy to block the peaceful transfer of power? and if you've won an seditious conspiracy with an individual who used force, your chances of winning and prosecuting someone might look a little brighter today for someone who was...

Bigger problems. he may have orchestrated this letter with white powder and the threat. even if he knew the powder was only crushed tylenol, if anyone at that facility was put in fear because of the letter that is a separate potential charge of terroristic threat and if he lied to any fbi officials that is also a separate crime so he could face state felony indictment, could face a federal felony indictment, could face consecutive time. heather: let's bring up felony disorderly conduct alone, imprisonment of one to 3 years, $25,000 fine but you say it could get much worse. >> the federal charg...

One, that's an additional potential charge against stone. but it also goes to this point that we've talked about before with trump and others, consciousness of guilt. if stone, which it seems from the reporting, is trying to get witnesses to adopt his version of the truth to make their story match his, well, why? what is he hiding? he is very good at going on tv and tweeting and making videos of him saying i didn't know anything, and he keeps changing his story, though, and every time something comes out in the reporting he discovers a new batch of texts that show that he really didn't know an...