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Been telling you for the last three years that this whole system is rife with fraud and now he's making up increasingly kind of absurd versions of that. >> and counselor, you get us of course to roger stone. this will make maybe the 15th conversation you and i have had about roger stone. does this get us where you thought we were headed, especially this aspect that he may be affecting witnesses? >> right. so we have talked a lot about stone. i think what's new here is first of all this idea that -- not idea. the reporting that mueller is looking at stone for intimidating witnesses. because two...

He's going to say, well, i've been telling you for the last three years that this whole system is rife with fraud and now he's making up increasingly kind of absurd versions of that. >> and counselor, you get us of course to roger stone. this will make maybe the 15th conversation you and i have had about roger stone. does this get us where you thought we were headed, especially this aspect that he may be affecting witnesses? >> right. so we have talked a lot about stone. i think what's new here is first of all this idea that -- not idea. the reporting that mueller is looking at stone for intim...

I hate to have the entire fbi painted without broadbrush and we know that this small inter-circle made up their own rules and do things their own way and broke the rules. very welll established rules. >> mark: just to go to that, we all know that it's a crime to lie to the fbi and michael flynn supposedly do that and he would have been looking at several years in jail if they decided to go and prosecute for that. now mccabe did it three times as often as michael flynn. do you think there is any serious chance he'll be going to jail? >> i think the referral by the inspector general is a very se...

Pointed out, is the focus on what the president did in terms of the situation with director comey. was there any attempt to redirect the investigation? that was a serious potential charge. and again, that's the focus of mr. mueller's investigation. also, there's still big questions about the coordination between his campaign and the russians, whether that amounts to something that has a chargeable offense, that's something that the special prosecutor will determine, but these are all very serious allegations. >> where is your committee's investigation at right now? we know the house intelligen...

Strategy of the mueller investigation or how they ended up where on friday or today they've charged non-u.s. citizens, the 13 russian nationals, the man today was working at the british offices of an american law firm, reportedly a dutch citizen who speaks russian and is married to a russian woman, the daughter of this oligarch, the increasingly international turn of the investigation. is this happenstance or does this mark the way this is going to go from here on out? >> i think it's following the money and following the money overseas. from friday's indictment, you have laying the groundwork...