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Organized manager and leader. that would be a sign to conservatives that trump wants to govern as a conservative. reince priebus also hatz significant relationships with republicans on the hill, as betsy was saying, not just on the house but on the senate side as well. he's the longest serving republican chairman. so pretty much every republican in the country knows and trusts reince priebus at this point. so again, i think it would be the smart move between those two in particular, but between anyone for trump to signal to republicans and conservatives that we had a rough primary, maybe had a...

If you're looking at this double digit gap continuing to yawning and continuing to grow, these are people who supported personhood amendments. they are trying to -- ken cuccinelli himself is actively involved in shutting down clinics that provide health care to women. i mean, it's happening every day. you don't have to look like rand paul did towards a distoppian reality. ken cuccinelli is already trying to do it in virginia. >> didn't they learn anything from the last election? >> they did not. you can see them doing -- i look at the news out of texas this week, look at virginia. every day br...

Dave ramsey. live at trump tower this evening with the latest breaking news, sun lin, give us the latest on the trump transition. who is meeting -- who he's meeting with and morallies planned? >> reporter: another day of the revolving door at trump tower, don. president-elect donald trump meeting with former defense secretary robert gates and ambassador john boulden. the most intriguing is senator heidi heitkamp, north dakota senator, red state democrat that is in potential consideration for potentially energy secretary. of course, her potential choice would send shock waves among democrats ...