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This. but it wouldn't surprise me at all if rudolph giuliani learned from manafort's lawyers a little bit about what rick gates is going to say about collusion. and they're now trying to get out in front of this by not denying there is collusion but by saying it is not a crime. >> that is a fascinating theory that would explain the chain of potential information. given what he is charged with, why would the trump tower meeting come up at all? >> it will likely not come up at the trial. because of the federal statutes that require the government to disclose all of his prior statements, they can...

Gates was at that meeting and it would not surprise me, this is pure conjecture and there may be limitations on whether manafort's lawyers can disclose this. but it wouldn't surprise me at all if rudolph giuliani learned from manafort's lawyers a little bit about what rick gates is going to say about collusion. and they're now trying to get out in front of this by not denying there is collusion but by saying it is not a crime. >> that is a fascinating theory that would plane is the chain of potential information. given what he is charged with, why would the trump tower meeting come up at all? ...

Device to initiate by lifting or opening a box. even the -- the uni bomber used a plunger type device when the box was lifted off the ground it set off the device. so right now i think what we have is a wealth of potential information. because one device that didn't initiate. depending how the bomb techs had to rsp the device render it safe, once they can do that they can do forensics on pennsylvania device that's intact. >>y he. >> looking at fingerprinting looking at dpa and also looking at components. now, i participated in the iraq in the later part of my career with what they call the com...

That's the kind of stuff they ee in the "anarchist cookbook" victim-activated stuff. >> exactly a victim act waited in the device. >> they are living or opening the box, very simple circuits can be conducted to cause a device to initiate by lifting or opening a box. the unabomber used a plunger type device when the box was lifted off the ground it set off the device. so right now i think what we have is a wealth of potential information. because one device that didn't initiate. depending how the bomb techs had to rsp the device render it safe, once they can do that they can do forensics on pen...

Federal investigators. so whether or not jared kushner has told the entire truth about why he wanted to set up that back channel. there has been talk that there was perhaps an effort to coordinate more with russia and terrorism and kushner's spin on it. flynn may have more perspective. then, of course, she probably going to tell the truth about whether or not trump knew or even directed him to talk to sergei kislyak about the sanctions issue. >> so are you certain as you look at mueller, that he is holding back more potential information? unequiffally? >> certainly. >> so if that's the case, d...