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That those would never get out. hicks says she never said that and the idea that hope hicks ever suggested that e-mails or other documents would be concealed or destroyed is completely false. so, joining us now, break this down for us. the special counsel was already interested. explain the significance to this and how it adds to what we already knew. >> you have the account of an insider basically alleging that the president and one of his top advisers had a discussion about making e-mails go away, about a cover-up essentially. there's a lot of questions, a lot we don't know from this article...

Reporting, because andrew mccabe can't be fired. he is a career agent so he just can't be fired willy-nilly. there's got to be a cause there. but the "washington post" is confirming at least a portion of it saying that it does seem like this administration is trying to put pressure on the fbi director. we have seen it frankly publicly, michael, with the president's tweets saying andrew mccabe shouldn't be there. how much is that going to factor into this case of potential obstruction? >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure what the president's sort of overarching tweets and criticisms of the fbi means ...

Question. and i think that the key is this -- mueller's responsibility is actually quite narrow. it's his job to figure out what laws have been violated. who should be prosecuted. it it doesn't lead to indictment he's unlikely to be able to tell the country what happened. let's say the evidence he believes reaches a preponderance or convincing, nothing beyond a reason about doubt. if he doesn't seek indictment, we might not know about this conversation, this conversation, this meeting, this act of collusion or conspiracy, and it falls on the congress to give a full recitation of the facts to t...

>> it. >> it gets worse. >> on a monday, it's a fire hose and continues to dribble throughout the week. do you believe there's evidence, john dean, that the president obstructed justice? >> well, i think we're accumulating a state of mind that could, indeed lead to a charge of obstruction. technically he can't be gooit indi indicted for it because he is president. it could lead to an impeachment, though. we don't have all the facts, don, but what we do have certainly indicates he doesn't want an investigation to go forward. >> there was obstruction of justice with clinton but that's because cl...

This, i've been saying this for a while, that i have not seen any real evidence of a broader conspiracy, shall we say, but i'm starting to see the building blocks of that very thing. including the building blocks of potential obstruction. i mean, these statements -- he's a lawyer's nightmare of a client. >> juliet, why are you shaking your head? >> oh, i think that's right. it's so inexplicable what manafort did. just to remind people, the bail conditions say you really can't talk to the media, this is the not going to be argued before the media and they're interpreting his attempt to have thi...