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Terrible stuff. >> it really is. so requesting that pardon is essentially admitting that there's some stuff on you, right, admitting a level of guilt. i wonder if there would potentially or if there might already be some follow up within the department of justice. does that assist in any kind of potential prosecution? >> well, you can seek a pardon and not sort of acknowledge that you have done something that's illegal. people can seek pardons for different reasons. sk general, however, they seek pardons when they have done something or anticipate that th they have done something that the just...

Because that was referred, he was referred by congress to the department of justice. for potential prosecution for contempt of congress. but, on the other hand, that is a very unusual charge. the department of justice may want to get to the bottom of whether or not donald trump did instruct him not to testify based on the executive privilege. which is donald trump's privilege, not peter navarro's privilege. of course it is a bogus claim of privilege, but peter navarro is not necessarily in a place or in a position where he can determine whether it's bogus or not. so that is possible, it's also...

Investigation, in congress. could this new grand jury subpoena just be about his contempt for all? or is there a reason to think that he is being subpoenaed as part of the broader justice department investigation of january the 6th? >> i gotta tell, you if, and i don't know the answer, ordinarily you would not have a target of an investigation subpoenaed with a grand jury subpoena. and there's no question he is a target of the criminal contempt because that was referred, he was referred by congress to the department of justice. for potential prosecution for contempt of congress. but, on the ot...

Contempt referal? or is there a reason to think that he is being subpoenaed as part of the broader justice department investigation of january the 6th? >> i gotta tell, you if, and i don't know the answer, ordinarily you would not have a target of an investigation subpoenaed with a grand jury subpoena. and there's no question he is a target of the criminal contempt because that was referred, he was referred by congress to the department of justice. for potential prosecution for contempt of congress. but, on the other hand, that is a very unusual charge. the department of justice may want to ge...

For potential prosecution. of course, that's exactly what happened with steve bannon who is now being prosecuted by the justice department. and potentially with mark meadows. doj is now looking at whether to charge him for coming up in a month. and we have conflicts looming not just with the vice president but with perry and jordan. so the question is will the committee just sort of say, okay, hey, we tried, thanks for thinking about it, or will they go to court and fight to get that testimony? >> right. and another viewer wants to know, could the department of justice prosecute trump or other...