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Workplace shooting. i don't see it at this point. >> so let's move past that. jonathan gilliam, let me bring you in. if the guy was an american citizen, which will know he was, he goes abroad. he had weapons before he went abroad. if he gets something else in his head, winds up coupling up with somebody who shares his own sense of inhumanity, how do you see that in terms of a repeatable threat? >> well, you know, this is a good question here. it's a great example, when jim sciutto talked earlier about how experts have been saying that we need to look at certain things for a long time, you know...

Know the police have the ability to act as warriors when they need to. there's the bigger issue, what the president's task force talked about. the notion of guardians which is the highest level that a society gives to the group of people who protect them. it speaks to more than just running and shooting and cooking and booking and all the things we might think about in the warrior side of policing. it's more about being responsive and fair and impartial in our policing and that's where the guardian piece comes in. it's a huge shift from warrior to guardian where guardians can act in a warrior ...

You're going to have to do certain things a certain way but you know what, the realities are what they are and the risk is real. we keep seeing these in different context. at some point, it does become part of the new normal. let me come to you on this, the idea of a man and woman being involved. multiple shooters already, that takes us back to columbine in terms our history, our experience with it here. but the idea of women becoming more involved in the actual violence and assaults of of this islamist extremism, what do you think of this? and the reports this guy may have gone somewhere else...

>> either that or it speaks to a change in tactics. i think we should be very concerned about what these folks did. it has significant implication for policing in the united states. >> how so? >> so we've got this discussion going on about the difference between a guardian and a warrior mentality. yesterday, you saw police officers acting clearly in that warrior mind-set. they were taking rounds and they're going to give it right back. but we live in a democratic society. we want democratic policing. we want to build trust and confidence in the police across our communities. and doing that in ...