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Them to argue that they deserve a chance. or if you are going to succeed it's in their interest for to you succeed with only members of your party so they can claim they would have done it differently and better. i think -- i guess what i was appealing for today is that on some of these core issues, i don't want us to have to have another oklahoma city to sober up. because oklahoma city really helped us in a way as a country, that is after it, it made the conflicts seem small er than ou common humanity. they were are so brave. they were so courageous, they were so magnificent. that all of us a...

City to sober up, because oklahoma city really helped us in a way, as a country that is. after it, it made the conflict seem smaller than our common humanity. they -- they were so brave, they were so courageous, they were so magnificent that all of us -- and as i said, i included myself. i said some -- i had said some things that i never said after oklahoma city. >> going after federal bureaucrats? >> yeah, i think, you know, the president -- or when i was a governor, referring to federal bureaucrats, it's like they're all arrogant, they're all power abusers, they're all insensitive or they're...