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>> time flies. now they're in the process of taking those 300 pages we saw yesterday and boiling them down to an understandable -- it's not an indictment but it's like an indictment -- articles of impeachment. what you have to do is sort of find something that's going to be broad enough to cover all the conduct here. i think we will see a broadly phrased abuse of power article. but also not so broad that it's limitless. and so they have to decide how are they going to phrase the ukraine issue? are they going to bring an article for obstruction? i think the report yesterday made very clear they...

It's very complicated and i think a byproduct will be that the house intel committee has lost its ability to work together and that's a huge loss for our national security. >> heidi, you've been reporting on what the next steps are and the next steps are at some point adam schiff said the counsel will present this to the judiciary committee and they will begin writing articles of impeachment. that has not been clear that that's the conclusion because in theory they have to go through this report but i think we can now surmise that that's going to happen. what you're reporting on is that there ...

Courts. he could show up and exert executive privilege and not answer questions. that's fine. this is involving him, bolton, mulvaney, others, the white house, the executive branch, is constitutionally immune from having to testify to the united states congress. and there is no legal basis for that, which is why they will lose in court. here's where i think democrats face an important decision, strategy moment. we now have seen a focus on the underlying abuse in power article of impeachment with ukraine. we got that. we understand that. don't make the obstruction charge ancillary to that. focu...

Honor to talk with you. thank you so much, and we'll look forward to speaking with you again. thank you. >> thank you, alex. let's bring in the former counsel to the judiciary committee during the impeachment trial of president nixon, michael conway. michael, welcome to you, sir. let's get to the next steps in this impeachment inquiry. >> thank you, alex. >> they're now shifting to the judiciary committee, the committee that will ultimately draft and vote on articles of impeachment before sending them to the house floor. given what you've heard, what is the scope of these articles? how many ...

The work's going to go to the judiciary committee. >> right and i agree with barbara. i think there should be three articles of impeachment. abuse of power article can include the obstruction of justice elements that robert mueller identified. and the investigation interfering with the congressional investigation also has another way of phrasing it, which is that he's impeded the investigation of impeachment. and in the watergate, we did have three articles of impeachment. very much along what barbara suggested. obstruction of justice, abuse of power, which was an umbrella term for many things...