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But second and politically, there's no support from the republicans for a censure. they have totally circled the wagons for the president. what he did is perfect as far as the president is concerned to my republican colleagues. so you would not get a single republican vote. second, you don't have democratic support. and the reason you don't have democratic support is on this question of what the president did in ukraine, essentially using his authority as president to get ukraine involved in the 2020 campaign, is really impeachable conduct and to diminish it with a censure would create dissens...

About -- among moderate democrats about other options. still this option of censure instead of impeachment. doesn't look like that's going anywhere. some moderate democrats discussing the idea of voting up on the abuse of power article, down on the obstruction of congress article. just as a way to say to voters in their districts, you know, i looked at this in a measured way. i wasn't fully on board. where do we think this ultimately is going to end next week in the house? is it going to be an overwhelming democratic vote for one or two or be a muddy result? >> well, that's a good question. we...

What they are impeaching him for is that these actions that he took in the ukraine scandal are part of a broader pattern. literally that's the word they use at the end of both of these articles. at the end of the first article of impeachment, the abuse of power article, here's how that article ends. quote, these actions were consistent with president trump's previous invitations of foreign interference in u.s. elections. in all of this, president trump abused the powers of the presidency by ignoring and injuring national security and other vital national interests to obtain an improper persona...

Articles, the conduct absolutely impeachable. it sounds like you are certainly leaning in one direction. is that fair to say? >> my assumption is that the abuse of power article, which again i have not read in full, summarizes the activities i just described. and if it does, i just think that there ultimately has to be a firm line drawn in the sand by the american people and by the united states congress if, in fact, that is the substance of the article that they're sending to the senate. >> quickly, do you think the mueller finding should have been included in those two? >> i think that the s...

Congressman, chairman nadler seemed to allude to the russia investigation findings saying trump's ukraine dealings, nadler said, were consistent with his behavior in the 2016 election. should we expect in this abuse of power article of impeachment, should we expect to be more links in there, to your committee's own work, own investigation of the russia question? >> there's language that is continuing conduct from the previous elections. russia if you're listening. there was collusion. he welcomed what the russians gave him and they used it. time will show that there's probably more there than ...