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Leaders and some feminists too. Is this a debate in which both sides are driven by fear . Judith butler, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Im glad to be here. Well, its a pleasure to have you here. You have a long academic career. Youve written some very well known books on gender theory. I just wonder, in your view, whether this debate about gender has fundamentally changed 7 has the climate around it really changed . Yes, i think it has. I think at the beginning of gender studies, a very important field within feminism, In The Beginning of queer theory, we talked about gender in different ways...

Is this a debate in which both sides are driven by fear . Judith butler, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Im glad to be here. Well, its a pleasure to have you here. You have a long academic career. Youve written some very well known books on gender theory. I just wonder, in your view, whether this debate about gender has fundamentally changed . Has the climate around it really changed . Yes, i think it has. I think at the beginning of gender studies, a very important field within feminism, In The Beginning of queer theory, we talked about gender in different ways. We talked about the Gender Div...

Foot wrong, when trying to describe anyone on the lgbt -- they will be called out, perhaps crushed and killed. >> that's the problem. that's why i call this sort of thing a religion. we're dealing -- on saturday night live from years ago. for example, some people might need some time, we always write about this, under this new regime, the idea is that meeting some time, because it's not about battling power differentials. needing some time, is wrong. it's that you are against a certain kind of person, and you need to be shouted down with recreational mockingly. that's not right. that's not the...

Is that needing some time, because it is not about battling power differentials in the here and now. needing time is wrong. it is you are against a certain time of person and you need to be shouted down with recreational mocking glee. that is not right. that is not the way that a society should be run. what a lot of the book is about, there is a certain kind of person that wields a certain kind of power in that way, really thinking they are doing the world good. i don't think they are evil. they are not powermongers. they think they found the solution to everything. it must feel good. but what...

Being is founded upon original sin. i question that, especially because if you're going to have this religion where everything is about showing that you know racism exists, then one problem is you've shown that you know it exists, but have you actually helped anybody who is being hurt by racism? and often you're not. and then more to the point, if you're going to teach people that everything is going to be about racism and power differentials, then, one, you're ignoring most of what life is. and, two, this is the thing. woke racism is a pro-black book. people won't know this, but i'm protectin...