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Opposite side of the table from japanese, from american commanders, and he would often feel as if there was a sense of power dynamic between the people in uniform, the members of the military leadership and civilians, and frankly particularly democrats. he felt that he would often find himself in the position of being pushed around by generals, and it bothered him. he thought they pushed barack obama around and he didn't like that idea that they were able in a sense to prevail in those debates because they were the people in the room with military experience, so it's been a long time coming, j...

You're so right, this wouldn't have happened free-metoo, but it is a reminder that the power dynamic in politics, or in a local business, is the same, still out there, and it is also reminder if a woman wants to come forward, it is -- you need to be brave because you're going to take a lot of heat. but in the end, you could have a situation like what happened today where some of the women said they felt vindicated. >> and he's denying the hand up the blouse and whatever, some of the things. kirsten, last word, what do you think? >> well, yeah. i think he would deny that. but even the things he...

Movement. and he knew better. and so that is what is so baffling and so mind-blowing and a reminder that kirsten, you are so right, this wouldn't have happened pre me too. but it is a reminder that the power dynamic in politics or in a local business is the same and it is still out there and it is also a reminder that if a woman wants to come forward it is -- you need to be brave because you're going to take a lot of heat but in the end you could have a situation like what happened today where some of the women said that they felt vindicated. >> and he is denying the hand up the -- you know, t...

More em upowempowered, that mor are brave enough to speak out, erica, that people will listen to them. that's what has changed. not whether it's okay or not. >> it is an excellent point. i really have to agree with you on that one. that has changed and thank goodness it has that more women and in some cases men do feel they can come forward especially when they're dealing with the power dynamic in that situation, as well. there is a lot made how this was handled and comparisons to former president trump not just digging in heels but how republicans and democrats looked at this differently. as ...