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In politics but in society and i think there is -- i mean it has not just made i think men re-evaluate the workplace but i think that it's a game changer, it's upended for women the way they think about the power dynamic in the workplace. >> i think i know where you're going. sort of instead of competing with each other anymore? >> competing with each other anymore. you understand that there's not a limit to how many women can be at the table? >> don't fight each other for the one seat. fight for more seats. >> for more seats and there are things you don't have to accept. i feel that with the ...

Lead to multiple sexual relationships between the owner of a company and subordinates over many years particularly where employment decisions may be linked to sex. so if a woman is even though you say it's consensual, but a woman may feel obliged to go along with it because she's concerned with her employment. that's how most people would read that. >> here again is pbs's rhetoric. today they finally agreed to talk to the persons who could address those issues, had they raised those questions three weeks egop. my point is how do you put those statements out without ever talking to those folks ...

Correspondent, fired by the magazine. he is also a cnn contributor. cnn is now investigating and says he won't be on the air until the end of that investigation. and new this weekend, according to the daily caller, chris matthews accused not of sexual harassment but misconduct, inappropriate behavior at work in 1999. daily caller reporting and msnbc confirming this was investigated at the time and matthews was reprimanded. all of these cases different and distinct. there are differences in each of these cases. matthews, for example, is not being accused of sexual assault the way some other men...

Does a consensual relationship, does it qualify as an abuse of power? >> well, i think it depends on where that relationship is occurring. but when you're in the workplace and you have a very senior and well-respected man -- male superior and a young, very low on the totem pole female employee having an consensual relationship, that's a problem. i think inherently. because of that power dynamic, because of the economics, because of the potential for career, you know, interference and i think it's inherently problematic. that's why you see so many companies having, you know, relationship or nep...

Reforms which we're working on here in congress. >> eugene? >> yeah. it's great to see paul ryan talking about conyers and the need to address this in conyers. but he's been getting criticism about not speaking out about donald trump. >> ironically the person of the year runner up. >> the reality is when we can look at this beyond the partisan side of it and look at industries beyond capitol hill, maybe that's when we koultd see traction. >> there's the people's perspective too. when it comes to men like harvey weinstein to create this complicity machine, some of those complicit arguably are a...